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	<title>Comments on: Contented Dementia? I don&#8217;t think so</title>
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	<description>Richard D North welcomes you to his blog. (It links to my old site, now archived.) I am a right-winger, in love with the free market and arguing against the soft-left, liberal, green, PC consensus. Oh, and I&#039;m a conflicted softie. A bit hippy and arty round the edges too.</description>
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		<title>By: Glenda Shaw</title>
		<link>http://richarddnorth.com/2009/10/contented-dementia-i-dont-think-so/comment-page-1/#comment-2225</link>
		<dc:creator>Glenda Shaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2012 21:58:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t make such stupid comments until you&#039;ve spent some time at Burford and see for yourself, &quot;It Works&quot;. I&#039;ve spent many hours there and use the methods every dayin my job.

Senior Support Officer 55+ Team Oxford City</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t make such stupid comments until you&#8217;ve spent some time at Burford and see for yourself, &#8220;It Works&#8221;. I&#8217;ve spent many hours there and use the methods every dayin my job.</p>
<p>Senior Support Officer 55+ Team Oxford City</p>
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		<title>By: RDN</title>
		<link>http://richarddnorth.com/2009/10/contented-dementia-i-dont-think-so/comment-page-1/#comment-2223</link>
		<dc:creator>RDN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2012 14:30:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Deborah,

I am thrilled OJ&#039;s book has helped you with the your caring issues. I don&#039;t know what I have to say to make it clear that I comepletely see how such a book and such a campaign may help people. I only said that the OJ approach was too simplistically triumphalist and universalist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Deborah,</p>
<p>I am thrilled OJ&#8217;s book has helped you with the your caring issues. I don&#8217;t know what I have to say to make it clear that I comepletely see how such a book and such a campaign may help people. I only said that the OJ approach was too simplistically triumphalist and universalist.</p>
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		<title>By: Deborah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deborah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2012 11:59:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whether you like Oliver James style or not he is writing up a practitioner based method from a small charity offering techniques to help desperate carers.  These techniques have been a life line to many of us because they work. Nobody is yet able to cure dementia but you can make it more tolerable.
Anyone interested in cost-benefit analysis would do well to add up the long line of professionals involved with my relative and compare this to a method to ease anxiety and help the carer empathise which gives results and relief.  
The thesis about feelings remaining even when facts have gone links to a Univeristy of Iowa study where two groups of dementia patients watched a sad or happy film. They could not remember the film but their mood reflected  what they had seen.
There is now a film with case studies of how people used this approach.
Do re-consider, Richard. There really is something here worthy of further investigation.
I</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whether you like Oliver James style or not he is writing up a practitioner based method from a small charity offering techniques to help desperate carers.  These techniques have been a life line to many of us because they work. Nobody is yet able to cure dementia but you can make it more tolerable.<br />
Anyone interested in cost-benefit analysis would do well to add up the long line of professionals involved with my relative and compare this to a method to ease anxiety and help the carer empathise which gives results and relief.<br />
The thesis about feelings remaining even when facts have gone links to a Univeristy of Iowa study where two groups of dementia patients watched a sad or happy film. They could not remember the film but their mood reflected  what they had seen.<br />
There is now a film with case studies of how people used this approach.<br />
Do re-consider, Richard. There really is something here worthy of further investigation.<br />
I</p>
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		<title>By: Carol Lintern</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carol Lintern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2012 08:51:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting reading Richard. Penny is labelling what many carers supporting people with dementia strive towards. You have to really &#039;be&#039; with that person to learn and promote wellbeing- a very selfless request and we are all different.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting reading Richard. Penny is labelling what many carers supporting people with dementia strive towards. You have to really &#8216;be&#8217; with that person to learn and promote wellbeing- a very selfless request and we are all different.</p>
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		<title>By: B. Malone</title>
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		<dc:creator>B. Malone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Mar 2012 18:16:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard, it is very hard to see, when your head is up your ass!  I&#039;m not a caregiver or Doctor, but I do know a naysayer when I hear one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard, it is very hard to see, when your head is up your ass!  I&#8217;m not a caregiver or Doctor, but I do know a naysayer when I hear one.</p>
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		<title>By: RDN</title>
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		<dc:creator>RDN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2012 17:13:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jonathan,

My experience of mental health issues is slight. A long time ago I read Bettelheim and Laing and Foucault. I saw &quot;One Flew Over the Cuckoo&#039;s Nest&quot;. Much more recently, I have looked quite carefully at the Seligman and positive psychology work - and find it fascinating and wanting. Like everyone, I have been close to people with depression. I have several man years&#039; experience of caring for and catering to very old people.

On OJ&#039;s dementia work, it may be worth reminding you that my beef with his book was not based on huge experience: rather it was a matter of suggesting that his large conclusions did not flow well from the evidence he quoted. (One got the impression that lots of people have pioneered this territory whilst knowing that it is wise not to be overly proscriptive.) This is a matter of textual analysis as much as my experience. However, I did point out that the book seemed to conflate the business of dealing with ageing or failing mental faculties with the business of dealing with Alzheimer&#039;s. I know something about the former and can say that very old people do indeed have difficulty with dealing with some sorts of questions; but they seem positively to respond well to some sorts of challenge. It seems tricky to base a strategy on never asking questions or posing challenges. It&#039;s a matter of horses for courses. 

My point was that one needs to go rather modestly into this territory and that doing so seems supported by the evidence in OJ&#039;s book (and by the AS view of it), but not by OJ&#039;s typically grandiose and sweeping generalisations.

So: never mind my experience of mental health. My long experience of book-reviewing may help you to unpick OJ&#039;s book a bit. Or you may think OJ&#039;s book easily survives what you think are my ill-considered (and what you may freely call uninformed) remarks.

On my experience of OJ&#039;s other work Britain On the Couch sort of work, I think I understand the &quot;happiness&quot; and &quot;well-being&quot; data rather better than OJ (or, come to that, the authors of &quot;The Spirit Level&quot;). That again is a matter of looking at the data and talking clearly about what it says, as a matter of text and logic, more than mental health experience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jonathan,</p>
<p>My experience of mental health issues is slight. A long time ago I read Bettelheim and Laing and Foucault. I saw &#8220;One Flew Over the Cuckoo&#8217;s Nest&#8221;. Much more recently, I have looked quite carefully at the Seligman and positive psychology work &#8211; and find it fascinating and wanting. Like everyone, I have been close to people with depression. I have several man years&#8217; experience of caring for and catering to very old people.</p>
<p>On OJ&#8217;s dementia work, it may be worth reminding you that my beef with his book was not based on huge experience: rather it was a matter of suggesting that his large conclusions did not flow well from the evidence he quoted. (One got the impression that lots of people have pioneered this territory whilst knowing that it is wise not to be overly proscriptive.) This is a matter of textual analysis as much as my experience. However, I did point out that the book seemed to conflate the business of dealing with ageing or failing mental faculties with the business of dealing with Alzheimer&#8217;s. I know something about the former and can say that very old people do indeed have difficulty with dealing with some sorts of questions; but they seem positively to respond well to some sorts of challenge. It seems tricky to base a strategy on never asking questions or posing challenges. It&#8217;s a matter of horses for courses. </p>
<p>My point was that one needs to go rather modestly into this territory and that doing so seems supported by the evidence in OJ&#8217;s book (and by the AS view of it), but not by OJ&#8217;s typically grandiose and sweeping generalisations.</p>
<p>So: never mind my experience of mental health. My long experience of book-reviewing may help you to unpick OJ&#8217;s book a bit. Or you may think OJ&#8217;s book easily survives what you think are my ill-considered (and what you may freely call uninformed) remarks.</p>
<p>On my experience of OJ&#8217;s other work Britain On the Couch sort of work, I think I understand the &#8220;happiness&#8221; and &#8220;well-being&#8221; data rather better than OJ (or, come to that, the authors of &#8220;The Spirit Level&#8221;). That again is a matter of looking at the data and talking clearly about what it says, as a matter of text and logic, more than mental health experience.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2012 14:30:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard, just found your site after researching Contented Dementia for a relative. Out of interest what informs your judgements of mental health issues and the work of Oliver James - is your background in this area?

Regards,

Jonathan
Guidance Counsellor</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard, just found your site after researching Contented Dementia for a relative. Out of interest what informs your judgements of mental health issues and the work of Oliver James &#8211; is your background in this area?</p>
<p>Regards,</p>
<p>Jonathan<br />
Guidance Counsellor</p>
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		<title>By: Sylvie Clayden</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sylvie Clayden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Feb 2012 15:33:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Richard

My reply is very simple - it is not a bad world.I feel there is something in your way and it is not Oliver James - only you know the answer to that - let`s say you are passionate as opposed to angry - I am sure you can turn that into something positive.Being negative is rarely productive and it doesn`t feel good!

Heaps

Sylvie</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Richard</p>
<p>My reply is very simple &#8211; it is not a bad world.I feel there is something in your way and it is not Oliver James &#8211; only you know the answer to that &#8211; let`s say you are passionate as opposed to angry &#8211; I am sure you can turn that into something positive.Being negative is rarely productive and it doesn`t feel good!</p>
<p>Heaps</p>
<p>Sylvie</p>
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		<title>By: RDN</title>
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		<dc:creator>RDN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2012 13:37:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear S,

Thanks for that.

To deal with the &quot;angry&quot; point first. I hope it isn&#039;t true, but if I was sparky then that is because I have for many years been at loggerheads with much of Oliver James&#039;s &quot;Britain on the Couch&quot; and &quot;Affluenza&quot; material. In particular, I haven&#039;t liked his handling of evidence nor his egotistical tirumphalism (if I may be so sparky as to call it that).

Coming to the &quot;Contented Dementia&quot; material, I wanted to point out that many elements of his case are sound and have been known to be so for several or many years (as I know not least from his book). So I think the risk of the OJ writing is that it renders universally applicable what needs to be selectively considered and it suggests an embattled, visionary status for his campaign which would be better framed as a candidate for being useful rather than as a unique bastion of truth in a bad world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear S,</p>
<p>Thanks for that.</p>
<p>To deal with the &#8220;angry&#8221; point first. I hope it isn&#8217;t true, but if I was sparky then that is because I have for many years been at loggerheads with much of Oliver James&#8217;s &#8220;Britain on the Couch&#8221; and &#8220;Affluenza&#8221; material. In particular, I haven&#8217;t liked his handling of evidence nor his egotistical tirumphalism (if I may be so sparky as to call it that).</p>
<p>Coming to the &#8220;Contented Dementia&#8221; material, I wanted to point out that many elements of his case are sound and have been known to be so for several or many years (as I know not least from his book). So I think the risk of the OJ writing is that it renders universally applicable what needs to be selectively considered and it suggests an embattled, visionary status for his campaign which would be better framed as a candidate for being useful rather than as a unique bastion of truth in a bad world.</p>
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		<title>By: Sylvie Clayden</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sylvie Clayden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2012 12:28:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello. I am an Occupational Therapist whose community work in &quot; Health &quot; has driven me to want to specialise in Dementia, find a platform and a voice for these people. I am another advocate of Penny Garner`s approach and am disappointed that the Alzheimers` Society reject it. I feel they hold too much power and would like them to change their name to The  Dementia Society as they support all forms of dementia. Anything positive and proactive for this group of people gets my support - we must stop patronising  them and medicalising them - acceptance is all and engaging in the SPECAL sense way is positive.
The tone of your article is angry, why is this ?

Best Wishes

Sylvie Clayden</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello. I am an Occupational Therapist whose community work in &#8221; Health &#8221; has driven me to want to specialise in Dementia, find a platform and a voice for these people. I am another advocate of Penny Garner`s approach and am disappointed that the Alzheimers` Society reject it. I feel they hold too much power and would like them to change their name to The  Dementia Society as they support all forms of dementia. Anything positive and proactive for this group of people gets my support &#8211; we must stop patronising  them and medicalising them &#8211; acceptance is all and engaging in the SPECAL sense way is positive.<br />
The tone of your article is angry, why is this ?</p>
<p>Best Wishes</p>
<p>Sylvie Clayden</p>
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